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The Gentle Cricket

along these same lines, combustion of Ethanol produces a greater amount of Carbon Dioxide (the gas allegedly causing global warming) per unit of energy than Gasoline! Thus, while Ethanol may be portrayed as an eco-friendly alternative, it is anything but!

poptones

Man, you folks have a fantastic way of oversimplifying basic science.

First, GC, I think you have confused carbon dioxide with carbon monoxide. Both are regulated by the gov, but carbon dioxide production is a natural part of virtually all organic processes - trees rotting, cows farting, people breathing, etc. Carbon monoxide is also a product of incomplete combustion and generally presents a greater hazard, especially in "bowls" like LA and mexico city, because of the particular way it interacts with noxides of nitrogen - another notorious byproduct of internal combustion energy.

The major difference is, however, that when these oxides are produced from biomass fuels (corn, trees, etc) that biomass can be replaced - it's the cycle of life in a car engine. We don't have the landmass, however, to make up for those Billions of BTUs being farmed from deep wells. We're dumping 100,000 years of natural energy processes back into the atmosphere over a couple of centuries.

Now, corporate farming methods rely on the use of fertilizer, which is also produced from that oil. More oil is used in the mechanical production of the fertilizer, the transport of the fertilizer, and the distribution of the fertilizer. For the sake of argument let's call the last two issues a wash... that stil leaves us with the production of the fertilizer. Using organic methods the "energy" used in production comes from biomass and the sun... NOT from a deep well of energy 100,000 years dead and buried.

Raising chickens "organically" may even use five times or fifty times as much energy as raising them in factories - so what? Most of that energy is not coming from oil, it's coming from the sun and from the biosphere, which means it's a neutral balance.

No doubt we would be hard pressed to feed the world using existing organic methods... but oversimplification of the issue while ignoring half the facts do nothing to bolster your argument.

"Carbon footprint" is just another benchmark exploited by the oil companies to make us all feel like good little consumers as we haul off the weekly recyclables; the source of that carbon is every bit as important. Direct conversion of electricity from wind or the sun also provides btus to be measured in that "carbon footprint" (never mind the fact it was helium and hydrogen a billion miles away - not a direct conversion of terrestrial carbon - that provided the source of that energy).

Jeremayakovka

I am very glad to have and to exercise the choice to buy organic produce, dairy, "free range" meats, etc. Imho, they're not terribly more expensive than standard, mass-produced foods.

But oh I loathe the reclusive righteousness common among organic devotees.

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Towards the end of Newt Gingrich's address at last month's NR Conservative Summit, he speaks to conservatives taking the initiative in environmental innovation. (He also says he's writing a book, Contract With the Earth.)

Tman

poptones,

Interesting you would use ethanol as an example. You are aware that US ethanol trade has been so dramatically intensified that the lower classes in Mexico are having serious problems affording what used to be there one cheap readily available foodstuff?


poptones

I didn't choose ethanol as an example at all - I was simply correcting a bit of misinformation in another post.

If Mexicans are having a hard time buying corn, that means there's greater demand for corn. You can likewise expect a rise in meat prices (especially beef) because that industry also relies heavily on this delicious feedstock.

But... what does this have to do with anything I said? Ehtanol doesnt HAVE to be made from corn - Brazil has been making it from cane (and far more efficiently) for years. They even used to make record albums out of the stuff, back when people still bought turntables. Anyway, the point remains: ehtanol is essentially "neutral" so long as it is employed in the production (to fire the distillers, etc) because the carbon "converted" is not mined from ancient reserves.

I didn't see anything terribly alarming in that article - did you read all of it?

I am shocked by the price quoted for tortillas in mexico, though - I don't pay much more than 15 pesos for the same amount of them here in the middle of the US. That's gotta be rough, but it's surely a transient problem - just as the conversion to ethanol in Brazil spiked sugar prices for a time; ultimately, production of ethanol in Brazil stimulated more and efficient cane production.

poptones

"A dramatically simplified tax code that favors savings, entrepreneurship, investment, and constant modernization of equipment and technology."

From what I have seen by the positions espoused on his website, Newt also wants to put out a "contract" on the middle class and the Constitution.

David Barrie

I love your title 'Boutique Farming'. For there's a real danger just now of fashion, lifestyle and mercantilism being translated in to an enduring and all-important trend.

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