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30 January 2007

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Jim Lippard

"Now, imagine if we mobilized that sort of talent to, you know, build new networks."

Networks built by lawyers? Shudder...

mark

It's an outright lie by the the telecoms that abolishing net neutrality is necessary to improve the Internet. In countries like South Korea and Japan, they have much faster and better internet connections than we do (like 100 mbps and more), and they have net neutrality as well other measures to protect consumers and competition. In fact, the only reason we supposedly "need" net neutrality for things like video service is because the AT&T, Verizon,etc. don't want to actually upgrade their networks, which is why the whole thing's a scam.*

I notice people say, well it's their network, so can't they do whatever they want with it? The implication is that the phone companies built it all by themselves with their money. Well, it was started with tax-payer's dollars (darpanet), and the government gave the telcos a large amount of money (from us) to build it.* You could even say companies like AT&T are government-sponsored monopolies. So it's only logical the public has a say in this, it's not "their" network. The problem is Republicans want it both ways, they want to give their business buddies billions of dollars in taxpayer's money, but then they want them to be able to do whatever they want with no oversight.

Vint Cerf, one of the founders of the Internet, has studied this issue and strongly supports net neutrality. Of course he's more qualified than Bill Gates, who didn't invent the internet or (arguably) the "innovations" of Microsoft. The most these "experts" seem to say are more vague statements like "Well anything that hampers innovation is bad.. We need an open internet" (Well, of course). It almost leads one to believe either they weren't really talking about net neutrality, or it was mentioned to them and they just said that without looking into it, it was out of context.

*please see:
www.newnetworks.com
www.teletruth.org
These sites document many telco abuses, including how in the 90s they were given $200 billion from taxpayers on the condition they would roll our high-speed fiber optic networks with speeds of at least 45 mbps both ways. They then however kept the money and reneged on their promise. This is detailed in the book "The $200 Billion Broadband Scandal" but also on the sites above. The CEOs won while the rest of us lost.

mark

What Amazon.com is doing doesn't seem to be violating net neutrality at all. Under the present system you're free to pay extra for faster connections. I read Google (for all its T3 connections) pays about $2 billion for its access. Once the packets are out of Akambai's servers and onto private networks, they go the same as everyone else's. It would be violating net neutrality if Amazon.com paid AT&T to give its packets priority over others. Even if Amazon.com were, that would only make it a hypocrite, rather than make a case against net neutrality.

MnZ

"In countries like South Korea and Japan, they have much faster and better internet connections than we do (like 100 mbps and more), and they have net neutrality as well other measures to protect consumers and competition."

Mark, Mark, Mark, google: South Korea VoIP. You will discover that you are wrong.

"In fact, the only reason we supposedly "need" net neutrality for things like video service is because the AT&T, Verizon,etc. don't want to actually upgrade their networks, which is why the whole thing's a scam."

Mark, HDTV streams are about 20 Mbps. Now, suppose that you have a small city with 50,000 televisions. Now, multiply the two together.

In other words, a small city needs a 1 TERA bit per second connection to the outside world. Sorry, but the technology won't be there for a long, long time. No amount of investment by Verizon et al. will change that.

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